Conversation with Erknan Ali and Judith Germain

Judith talks to Erkan Ali. They discuss how Maverick Leadership changes who you are to benefit yourself and others. That Mavericks have a level of indifference that others don't really understand. During the conversation Erkan explains that if your values don't cost you anything then they aren't really your values and that Mavericks work on a higher plane and so don't need to follow the crowd.